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Re: [opensuse-project] More bad PR from Novell
- From: James Tremblay <jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:29:08 -0400
- Message-id: <200705031229.08170.jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Thursday 03 May 2007 11:07, Justin Haygood wrote:
> I personally believe openSUSE is the community distribution for
> Novell, and its for everyone that's not an enterprise (as in, home,
> home offices, enthusiasts, geeks, everyone that SLED isn't targetted
> to....)
>
> Last time I checked, its pretty darn stable as a distribution (specially
> 10.2!)
ok, but historically since 10.0 we have introduced new technology (because we
are an engineering distro, not a packaging distro i.e. Ubuntu) that I would
not expose the first timer to, in the sense of learning how to overcome the
problems that arose from that new technology i.e. the new gnome and kde
interfaces, and the updater issues.
If opensuse wants to target the soho\ homeuser then lets have an LTS version,
lets gold master 10.2 without the zenupdater , with gnomebaker, with wireless
drivers and their instructions and support it for 3 years like Ubuntu. Other
wise it really isn't for the first timer to have to struggle with drivers and
codecs and updators and looking for everyday applications and then in 18
months have to update it by reinstalling everything to continue to get
security updates.
Wireless configuration support and the network manager are still unstable
especially when registering to the customer center during installation and
lots of people don't rewire their homes, they buy a wireless router and
wireless cards and pay someone to set it up or call Dell to walk them through
it. Are we ready to compete with that ? No , i don't think so , we would need
that 900 system in place, we would need the update.opensuse.org to be set up
as the default update channel in yast( even if registering fails) and have it
redirect to other mirrors, we would need software.opensuse.org to be the
default application source for add-ons (like the multiverse) and a
support.opensuse.org forum\KB to even exist. These things are all being
discussed and worked on but we can't put the cart before the horse and start
extolling the virtues of our distro to the homeuser, when in reality we the
enthusiast are the only ones that can make it all work with a little guidance
from friends in obscure places like the irc forums. Some one needs to start
consolidating the places we get help from on an intuitive location
like "support.opensuse.org" because the masses are used to the host domain
having these kinds of pages. our front page is difficult to navigate because
the things homeusers are looking to find aren't what we look for when we go
there, even software.opensuse.org has changed recently and it is obscure even
to me how to search for packages in the different repos. I was looking to see
if we had a 10.2 package for NBD and had to go to google to find it on
opensuse.org, this is unacceptable to the novice. So that novice goes looking
for a click and run distro like Ubuntu.
No our structure is still to immature to sell it to the homeuser masses,
therefore I agree with Justin and Bruce and Ted, opensuse is the techies
version.
--
James Tremblay
Director of Technology
Newmarket School District
Novell CNE 3\4\5
CLE \ NCE in training.
http://en.opensuse.org/education
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> I personally believe openSUSE is the community distribution for
> Novell, and its for everyone that's not an enterprise (as in, home,
> home offices, enthusiasts, geeks, everyone that SLED isn't targetted
> to....)
>
> Last time I checked, its pretty darn stable as a distribution (specially
> 10.2!)
ok, but historically since 10.0 we have introduced new technology (because we
are an engineering distro, not a packaging distro i.e. Ubuntu) that I would
not expose the first timer to, in the sense of learning how to overcome the
problems that arose from that new technology i.e. the new gnome and kde
interfaces, and the updater issues.
If opensuse wants to target the soho\ homeuser then lets have an LTS version,
lets gold master 10.2 without the zenupdater , with gnomebaker, with wireless
drivers and their instructions and support it for 3 years like Ubuntu. Other
wise it really isn't for the first timer to have to struggle with drivers and
codecs and updators and looking for everyday applications and then in 18
months have to update it by reinstalling everything to continue to get
security updates.
Wireless configuration support and the network manager are still unstable
especially when registering to the customer center during installation and
lots of people don't rewire their homes, they buy a wireless router and
wireless cards and pay someone to set it up or call Dell to walk them through
it. Are we ready to compete with that ? No , i don't think so , we would need
that 900 system in place, we would need the update.opensuse.org to be set up
as the default update channel in yast( even if registering fails) and have it
redirect to other mirrors, we would need software.opensuse.org to be the
default application source for add-ons (like the multiverse) and a
support.opensuse.org forum\KB to even exist. These things are all being
discussed and worked on but we can't put the cart before the horse and start
extolling the virtues of our distro to the homeuser, when in reality we the
enthusiast are the only ones that can make it all work with a little guidance
from friends in obscure places like the irc forums. Some one needs to start
consolidating the places we get help from on an intuitive location
like "support.opensuse.org" because the masses are used to the host domain
having these kinds of pages. our front page is difficult to navigate because
the things homeusers are looking to find aren't what we look for when we go
there, even software.opensuse.org has changed recently and it is obscure even
to me how to search for packages in the different repos. I was looking to see
if we had a 10.2 package for NBD and had to go to google to find it on
opensuse.org, this is unacceptable to the novice. So that novice goes looking
for a click and run distro like Ubuntu.
No our structure is still to immature to sell it to the homeuser masses,
therefore I agree with Justin and Bruce and Ted, opensuse is the techies
version.
--
James Tremblay
Director of Technology
Newmarket School District
Novell CNE 3\4\5
CLE \ NCE in training.
http://en.opensuse.org/education
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